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looks kinda neat but i still cant think of any uses for it

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Morrowind hangman maybe?

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looks kinda neat but i still cant think of any uses for it

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Err... how about allowing the Player to provide their own answer to a riddle posed by your mod, instead of being forced to offer them three or four set answers to choose from.

Or, what about having them learn somewhere a secret word to open an enchanted door - the catch being that they actually have to remember it themselves.

Just a couple of suggestions. LOL



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his looks intresting, but how the hell did you capture keystrokes without an external program running?

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Well, it uses message box menus layered as a continuous interface. The Player can shuffle through short ranges of letters and click on a button for each letter they want to select in turn.

They can also choose to quit or start over.

The button clicks and their order are concatenated into a numeric code which is returned to the calling script, when the Player is finished.

The code is then evaluated against a pre-defined value for the correct response and the script responds according to whether they match up or not.


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I honestly just saved and then clicked on each possible answer and reloaded until I guessed correctly.

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Yup! That's the problem with the Beth method of presenting riddles especially. If it seems at all difficult, it's far to easy to just poiny and click until the right answer comes up. I've done it myself before now.

This approach makes you work a bit harder, depending on how devious the modder is prepared to be.


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You sir, have caused me brain damage with this big word. Not to mention the hernia I just got picking up my Webster's Unabridged Dictionary...



What I was hoping for was quick-keys.

Potential uses:

Combination locks (would be great for thief types (skill increase with the least amount of guesses))...

Posers given by NPCs (how old do you THINK I am??? (disposition stuff))...

Don't laugh now... Guess an NPC's weight for money...

Lottery

...other games of chance (using randoms... that would be cruel)...

Mechant without the barter screen (dialog only (How many do you want? ...or maybe haggle over the price...)

Anagrams (Hey! Be nice. Im reaching here...)

Chess (Knight to K4)...

Passwords given to NPCs to enter secret areas (immersive)...

...or Skooma dens... (speakeasy)

I give up...

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A good idea for this would be make a mod that brings the riddle chests from Betrayal at Krondor to Vvardenfell.

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That was a nice game. If a dos emulator would exist for my palm handheld there's a ton of these oldies I'd play on it like Betrayal at Krondor, X-COM ufo defense, Quest for Glory titles, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, to name a few.

It's a really nice gameplay addition Nigedo, it'll allow more complex puzzles and riddles.

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Err... how about allowing the Player to provide their own answer to a riddle posed by your mod, instead of being forced to offer them three or four set answers to choose from.

Or, what about having them learn somewhere a secret word to open an enchanted door - the catch being that they actually have to remember it themselves.

Just a couple of suggestions. LOL

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Something like answering a riddle with this would take an amazing amount of scripting, as there are hundreds of ways to say the same thing. Example: Poor people have it, rich people need it, what is it? You would have to script all possible correct answers: None, nothing, no items, starvation, etc, etc.

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his looks intresting, but how the hell did you capture keystrokes without an external program running?

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Well, it uses message box menus layered as a continuous interface. The Player can shuffle through short ranges of letters and click on a button for each letter they want to select in turn.

They can also choose to quit or start over.

The button clicks and their order are concatenated into a numeric code which is returned to the calling script, when the Player is finished.

The code is then evaluated against a pre-defined value for the correct response and the script responds according to whether they match up or not.


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I honestly just saved and then clicked on each possible answer and reloaded until I guessed correctly.

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Yup! That's the problem with the Beth method of presenting riddles especially. If it seems at all difficult, it's far to easy to just poiny and click until the right answer comes up. I've done it myself before now.

This approach makes you work a bit harder, depending on how devious the modder is prepared to be.

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HAH
I KNEW this was possible

Given a bit of work I was planning on working on something like this for my first mod!
Great idea
Ingenious
well done
congratulations
have a fishy stick
Why didn't anyone think of doing this before!
yaya


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Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Guenthar, MNWAT, Shannon, Qarl, Taddeus, Lingarn, Acid, Vincent, Vampy and HellBishop; I am very grateful for your support chaps. It means a lot to me, thank you.

I know this idea has been proposed before now, but I've never seen a working example. My main priorities were to make the interface as little effort to operate, as easy to integrate into a mod and as technically efficient as possible.


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Something like answering a riddle with this would take an amazing amount of scripting, as there are hundreds of ways to say the same thing. Example: Poor people have it, rich people need it, what is it? You would have to script all possible correct answers: None, nothing, no items, starvation, etc, etc.

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Since it runs as a self-terminating global script, it can be called freely within anyone's mod without the need for complicated scripting to integrate it.

You just have to have sufficient scripting knowledge to know how to test the values returned by the interface. I have provided all the information a competent scripter would need to do this, in the archive.

The limitation is that only *one word* will be the expected response, any other response will be treated as 'incorrect'.


EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, there's no reason that a clever scripter couldn't allow for several possible expected responses and script one reaction to all of them or different reactions for each.

The main benefit of the interface is that allows Player reponses to be captured in a form that can be interpreted by MW script. What you do with the Player's response is really up to you.


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A way to make the input easier to type into would be:

1. pop up a dialog box (forcegreeting an an npc with no bodyparts, that you did placeatpc)

2. Give him a topic for every letter in the alphabet. The topics could be eg "A" or if you may prefer "A_" or "_A_" if you dont want to make topics of single letters

3. Give him a greeting that is the qwerty keyboard with a space between each letter that you had a topic for.

4. After each letter press do a forcegreeting to redisplay the keyboard.

This way they could simply "type" in to a qwerty keyboard by selecting the letters with the mouse.
(or if you dont like the querty keyboard you could do a A to Z in alphabetical order keyboard instead)

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I am considering attempting to integrate an interface into dialogue.

The problem with the method you suggested is that it would be more difficult to capture individual letter choices and assign each letter a unique code. It would require an array of at least 26 condition tests with every click, whereas my interface uses only 5, making it far more technically efficient and fast.

I will think about doing something similar through dialogue though.


BTW, has anyone actually tried out the demo, yet?

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Edited by Nigedo (07/29/04 05:02 PM)

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